Truesdale Lake  

South Salem, New York

June 20, 2005
by rob
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Aquathol-K Treatment Scheduled For June 27th, 2005

Allied Biological will be treating the lake with Aquathol-K on Monday, June 27th.

Swimming is prohibited for 24 hours after the application of this herbicide. Both the TEA and TLPOA beaches will be closed on Monday.

We also recommend that homeowners avoid irrigating lawns with lake water for 7 days after the treatment since it is designed to kill plants.

If you would like more information on lake treatment, downloads are available in the Lake Treatment Downloads section.

June 20, 2005
by rob
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TLPOA Beach Party July 16th

TLPOA members are invited to the summer party starting at 7PM on July 16th. More details to follow…

[if anyone has any photos or more information, click the Contact Us link on the left-hand side and send the details. Thanks!]

June 15, 2005
by rob
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June Kickoff Party A Success!

TEA Beach, June 11th, 2005 – Despite dire forecasts and a few early sprinkles, the annual TEA June Summer Kickoff party was a success.

Revelers stayed until late as the day just kept getting better and better. The DJ kicked things off with a bonus bouncy castle for the kids. The volleyball net was an attraction for all ages. The burgers and dogs were served up hot by Dave, Carol, Tom, and others who stepped up to the grill. New members and associates met and mingled with long-time party regulars.

Thanks to Melissa for pulling together such a great party! Welcome Summer!

June 1, 2005
by rob
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June 11th is TEA Summer Kickoff Party

img429d3c578b33aTEA Members & Associates:

The TEA Summer Kickoff Party is set for Saturday, June 11th at 3PM.

There will be a DJ — plus burgers, hot dogs, veggie burgers, and watermelon. Desserts and salad contributions welcomed!

The party is open to all paid TEA members and associates. You should receive a paper invite within the next several days.

Please call Melissa Scarlatto to RSVP: 763-0140

Hope you can come!

-Rob Cummings

May 29, 2005
by rob
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Carpe Carp? Is it time to Seize the Carp?

img429a3fa951399Sterile Triploid Carp have been a hot topic of conversation around the lake recently. What are they? Why are people talking about them? Are they good to eat? How can they help the lake? What are the drawbacks to employing them?

I will attempt to answer these questions and some others in this article.

Carp – What are they?

From: <http://aquanic.org/publicat/state/ky/carp2.htm>

Grass Carp, or white amur (Ctenopharyngodon idella) were imported from Malaysia to the United States by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service in 1963.  The fish is native to the river systems of Northern China and Southern Siberia.  Grass carp can be an effective biological control agent for some varieties of submerged aquatic soft-stemmed vascular plants and branched algae.  In some instances, aquatic plant control has been obtained for periods of 5 to 10 years.  Under the proper conditions grass carp may provide aquatic plant control in ponds which is longer lasting, more economical, and is less labor intensive than chemical or mechanical control methods.

Grass Carp are members of the minnow and carp family (Cyprinidae).  Members of this family have throat (pharyngeal) teeth which are adapted for chewing the food which is obtained by the mouth.  Young grass carp, approximately 4 inches in length or less, feed on small invertebrates and plant material which may include filamentous algae.  The diet of larger fish consists almost entirely of soft plant material.  A short digestive tract requires grass carp to feed almost continuously when water temperature exceeds 68 degrees F (20 degrees C).  Under ideal conditions, grass carp may consume 2 to 3 times their body weight in plant material per day and gain 5 to 10 lbs per year.  The fish may grow to 4 feet in length and weigh up to 100 lbs in their native waters.  However, these fish rarely exceed 30 lbs when harvested from ponds.  Large grass carp become very active when trapped in a seine and can be dangerous to handle.  Grass carp can survive water temperatures which range from 34 to 95 degrees F (1 to 35 degrees C) and short periods of low dissolved oxygen of 2 to 3 parts per million (mg/l).  The fish will not feed when dissolved oxygen is low.

Carp – Why are people talking about them?

Lake area residents are interested in controlling weed growth in the lake. Currently we use aquatic herbicides (Avast!, Sonar, Aquathol-K) and algaecides (Copper Sulfate, Cutrine).

The carp represent a chemical-free alternative to the current weed control because of their biological ability to eat weeds at a high rate. However, they are not without caveats, discussed below.

A local resident with two small ponds (less than 5 acres each) said the carp have worked wonders at their place.

The big hurdle is the size of our lake which, at 83 acres, is over the 5 acre minimum for expedited review. If we went the carp route, it would require an environmental review with no guarantee of a positive outcome (from the NY State DEC website link): “Permit applications for waters other than those meeting these criteria, including waters greater than five (5) acres will not be acted upon until evaluated on a site-specific basis in accordance with the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and guidelines established by NYSDEC Division of Fish, Wildlife & Marine Resources.”

See this page for details on using sterile triploid carp in New York State: https://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/25024.html

The cost is also an issue. 5 – 15 carp per acre X approximately 80 acres = 400 – 1,200 carp.

I have seen per carp prices online varying from $10 – $25 per fish. Hopefully with a large order the cost per fish would be on the low end but we are still talking about close to or over $10,000. On the other hand we might be able to add the fish in waves, say 300-400 per year, so the initial outlay may not be as steep. Also restocking must be done every 10 years or so.

One of the cons in using the carp is the real possibility of overstock and destruction of all aquatic plant life in the lake, resulting in enormous uncontrollable algae blooms since the plants are no longer there to supply oxygen to the water. This would be unacceptable.

Quoted From: <http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/wq/plants/management/aqua024.html>
“Success with grass carp in Washington has been variable. Sometimes the same stocking rate results in no control, control, or even complete elimination of all underwater plants. Bonar et. al. found that only 18 percent of 98 Washington lakes stocked with grass carp at a median level of 24 fish per vegetated acre had aquatic plants controlled to an intermediate level. In 39 percent of the lakes, all submersed plant species were eradicated. It has become the consensus among researchers and aquatic plant managers around the country that grass carp are an all or nothing control option. They should be stocked only in waterbodies where complete elimination  of all submersed plant species can be tolerated.”

Some other cons include:

Introduction of sterile carp also requires design and installation of barriers to prevent escape of the carp from the lake.

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The fish also get huge (up to 50 lbs) and can scare some kids (and some adults) even though they are herbivores.

They do not take bait so cannot be fished out of the lake if they turn into a nuisance.

Carp are also not an instant solution to the problem. Newly introduced carp are approximately 10 inches long and will not have an impact for several years. That means we have to wait to evaluate their success rate. Chemical treatments would be continued during, and possibly after this time to ensure we have continuous weed control.

This is not a silver bullet, but it could be another tool in our 50+ year battle against the weeds.

Oh and by the way, several websites have indicated the carp are quite tasty… but we’d rather have them in the lake than on your table!

Feel free to leave your comments!

Endnote:

One thing all lake area residents can do NOW is to stop using phosphorus-based fertilizer and cleaning products. Most of the phosphorus ends up in the lake and is quite effective as weed fertilizer!

More information:

From: <http://msucares.com/wildfish/fisheries/farmpond/weeds/grasscarp2.html>

The grass carp is a member of the Cyprinid family, which includes goldfish, common carp, and many of our native minnow and shiner species. It should not be confused with other nonnative carp, such as the bighead carp, silver carp, black carp, or mud carp. These other carp are not good biological control agents for aquatic weeds because they feed on different components of the pond ecosystem.

How big are the carp and how long do they live?

From: <http://www.aquaticmanagement.com/grasscarp.htm>

Grass Carp can reach a size of at least 35 to 40 lb. in ponds in mid-western states. Their life expectancy is 8 to 12 years. Some do live longer, but the larger they get the less they eat so they are less effective in plant control. Older fish give the impression of being related to submarines. They can reach 4 feet and 100+ pounds in their native rivers. Amur are usually stocked at 10 to 12 inches. An 8 inch minimum is a required to keep them from becoming expensive bass feed!

More links:
<http://www.hiltonpond.org/ThisWeek030301.html>
<http://www.soilwater.org/fish/grasscarp.html>
<http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/speclic/grasscarp_permit.html>
<http://www.i-sis.org.uk/transfish.php>
<http://www.aquaticinvaders.org/nan_browse.cfm?level=2&key=210000000000&desc1=Ctenopharyngodon%20idella%20%5BGrass%20carp%5D>

May 26, 2005
by rob
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Green Lawns, Blue Waters – How to Care For Your Lawns and The Lake

A website dedicated to keeping lakes healthy, called Green Lawns, Blue Waters was recently brought to our attention by longtime lake resident Mark Patek.

The site has information on phosphorus, nitrogen, phosphorus-free fertilizer, pet waste, and many other topics of interest to lake area homeowners.

Some sample information from the site:
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Being environmentally conscientious doesn’t mean your lawn can’t look good—besides, it is nitrogen that makes grass green, not phosphorus. While phosphorus is necessary to grow healthy lawns, most soils already have a sufficient amount. In these cases, adding more fertilizer is not needed and will not benefit your lawn.

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A soil test will tell you if you need to fertilize, what type of fertilizer to use and the amount your lawn needs. This test can save you money and time. More importantly, it will keep fertilizer out of lakes and streams where they help foul the water.

The site also has a useful index of sites to visit for further information here: http://www.greenlawnsbluewaters.org/resources.shtml

Some other tips include not fertilizing before a rainstorm – since your hard work will end up in the lake fertilizing the weeds! I have seen people around our lake doing just that and tried to explain to them what harm they may unknowingly be causing.

Visit the site for more helpful information!

May 18, 2005
by rob
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New Sand Has Arrived! We Need Help Spreading It!

The TEA beach has gotten a delivery of sand to restore the sand lost in the storms over the fall, winter, and spring. We need your help spreading it out!img428cc01157e9d

If you can help, head down to the beach this weekend (5/20 – 5/21) and grab a shovel, rake, and wheelbarrow.

We are aiming to have the spreading finished before Memorial Day Weekend when the beach opens!

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!

-TEA Beach Committee

May 16, 2005
by rob
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2005 Weed Control Permits Approved Pending Public Comment

The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation has deemed our weed control permits complete (per 5/11/05 email from Glenn Sullivan of Allied):
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> As of yesterday, your permit application was deemed complete by DEC.
> Notice in the Environmental Notice Bulletin is scheduled for 5/18.
> Comments are due by 6/2 according to the DEC website. If approved,
> we may be looking at treatment in mid-June, at best.

img4288d1912e54eThank you to everyone who wrote to Adam Bradley’s office to voice concern. We have some great writers around the lake!

A number of folks got similar replies like this:
Quote:

Dear Robert,

Thank you for contacting Assemblyman Bradley with your concerns on the Pesticide Permits for Truesdale Lake in South Salem. I recently spoke to Wendy Rosenbach who heads the Public Affairs division at the DEC, and she told me that the original permit sent in on March 14, 2005 was deemed incomplete. They received the resubmission on March 22, 2005 and it is now under review.

Unfortunately, this is the busiest time of year for them and they have brought down more staff from Albany to help them get through this time period. They told the Assemblyman that Lake Truesdale’s permit will probably be complete by the end of the month.

If this office can be of any further assistance in this matter, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Sincerely,
Emily Trievel
District Director

I replied to this Ms. Trievel’s note with this one below:

Quote:

Emily,

Thanks for your note. I appreciate your efforts to track this down. It helps to shed some light on this process. It is also helpful to know an expected approval date.

Just wanted to point out that this is the busiest time of year for them because they make it that way. By not releasing forms until late February and knowing from past experience the volume of permit applications that will come in, they are in effect creating the backlog.

If they either 1) started earlier in the year, 2) allowed applications in the fall for the next spring, 3) had multi-year permits, or 4) had expedited permits for lakes with management plans already in place (like ours), it would go a long way to reducing the backlog.

Once again thanks for your help and have a great weekend!

-Rob Cummings

I received this response:

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Robert,
We will definitely look into this problem and plan to meet with a few people in your community about this very problem. I will take your
recommendations into account. Please let us know if we can do anything else.
Sincerely,
Emily Trievel

img4288d1aa5b24aWhen I sent this to Glenn at Allied, he responded in part:

Quote:

… the [original] application was deemed incomplete because they decided they wanted another form filled out, and they wanted another 2 copies of everything originally submitted. Had they issued instructions before hand, it would have saved a week.

So if anyone is contacted to meet with Assemblyman Bradley’s office, please let us know at the website. I know a few folks who may want to attend or hear about the results. If we can streamline the permitting process, it would be worth it!

By the way, I was out in the lake this weekend “weeding” my underwater garden. The weeds are there but no where near the intensity of last summer. According to the experts, this is due to the Avast! treatment applied last year. Avast! lasts for two seasons, so even though it is high-cost, it is worth it.

May 3, 2005
by rob
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2005 Permit Applications Held Up In Albany

Our weed control permits are being held up by the folks in Albany.

This happened last year and we all know what occurred with the weeds. I case you were not here or don’t remember, I have posted a photo along with this article. img4277bf828e4a3

If you have a minute, please take the time to call, write, or email our assemblyman Adam Bradley (contact information below) to tell him we need these permits ASAP.

Glenn Sullivan (of Allied Biological, the company that we contract with the treat the lake) has outlined some reasons for his frustration:

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– Your lake has obtained an Aquatic Pesticide Permit every year for at least the last 12 years.

– A new permit process has been designed to discourage the use of aquatic pesticides at the request of the Executive branch.

– This process still has not been formalized, but necessary forms were not released until early March.

– Processing of the application has been so slow that optimum application periods are about to be missed, resulting in less effective treatment when the permit is eventually approved.

– The residents of your community rely on effective aquatic weed management to maintain acceptable recreational and ecological lake conditions throughout the summer.

The fourth point is of great concern.

Please make your voice heard. Each person that contacts Mr. Bradley will move this that much higher on his list!

Note: our state congressman is Adam Bradley and his contact info is below.

Adam Bradley
4 New King Street, Suite 125
Town of North Castle
White Plains, NY 10604
Phone: 686-7335
Fax: 686-0046

Room 529 LOB
Albany, NY 12248
Phone: 518-455-5397
Fax: 518-455-5041

http://www.assembly.state.ny.us
email: bradlea@assembly.state.ny.us

Information taken from:
http://www.lewisborogov.com/contacts/

Thanks for your help!

Please submit any responses you get as comments to this article.

April 17, 2005
by rob
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Lake Stormwater Sites Walk April 2005

On April 16, 2005, a group of lake residents walked and drove to four of the six spots identified in the Land-Tech study as areas to focus on for future stormwater management programs. Mike Bartos of Land-Tech (author of the study) accompanied the residents.

The sites are:

  • Site 1 – Approximately 150 feet north of the Corner of Truesdale Lake Drive and Lake Shore Drive
  • Site 2 – Corner of Truesdale Lake Drive and Lake Shore Drive
  • Site 3 – Between 21 and 23 Truesdale Lake Drive, TEA Beach area (photos and video of problem) (not shown in photos below but click link to see stormwater work completed in 2009)
  • Site 4 – Off of Boway, the main stream feeding into the lake
  • Site 5 – At end of north spur of Hoyt Street (not shown in photos below)
  • Site 6 – Corner of Lake Shore Drive and Gilbert Street

 

[Photos by Rob Cummings]